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Keeping (some of) the peace at town halls

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by: hotflash

Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 14:29:23 PM CDT



The doors didn't open till six at Russ Carnahan's Thursday evening forum on aging, and the event didn't start until seven. But by 5:30, the parking lot was full and the pictures show you the line at quarter till six. People weren't there to hear about how to take care of their aging parents. Believe it. The word was out that right wingers were going to do everything possible to disrupt this Democratic event, so Democrats turned out in full measure to balance the crowd.

Both sides were itching to go, and Archpundit has video of the doings outside while people waited.
Inside, this event didn't exactly fit the Americans for Prosperity playbook, because a large section of the room was reserved for those who had rsvped, i.e. Democrats, so the right wingers were mostly bunched together instead of dispersed, a la the plan. But mostly the forum frustrated the wingers because it wasn't about health care. It wasn't meant to be. Five of the six speakers didn't mention health care at all. They explained how to use the Medicare website to figure out which prescription drug plan makes the most sense or how Meals on Wheels works.

Only Ron Sergent of AARP, the first speaker, openly advocated for health insurance reform. You want to see how these town halls will develop when Democrats show up in equal numbers and try to shush the loudmouths? Take a look.

hotflash :: Keeping (some of) the peace at town halls
With only five minutes worth of talk the wingers didn't want to hear, the Carnahan event was tame. McCaskill's Kitchen Table Talks will be a lot uglier. Even if she wanted to, I don't know if she could effectively set ground rules for behavior that will get people escorted from the room, because usually people shout and then shut up. It's hard to locate them. And besides, taking some of them out of the room might cause a riot.

Anyway, after Sergent, there was little for the wingnuts to hang their anger on. The crowd sat through an hour of what they didn't come for: information on aging. The teabaggers behaved like the bad kids at a middle school assembly. The Democrats tried to hush them up, with some of them occasionally losing their temper about it.

I was disgusted, though, to open the P-D this morning and find that six people had been arrested last night after the event, and at least two of them were pro-reform advocates. One of them, Brian Matthews, had sat behind me and had been, I thought, a little too eager to rev up the hostility a notch. His account of what happened is in the Post this morning. He says he was pretty much an innocent bystander. His friend, Javonne Spitz, was also arrested, and the word I get from others who attended is that she was too vocal before the event started and that pro-reform people had asked her to leave.

I wasn't there when the two of them were arrested. Maybe they were pure as the driven snow. I can't say for sure. But somebody on our side needed arresting because a conservative handing out "Don't tread on me" fliers ended up in the emergency room with "injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face."

I learned a little something from that P-D article: Oh sure, I expect weird, rude behavior from a high percentage of the teabaggers. In fact, a Post-Dispatch editorial writer who was there couldn't help but notice how "poisonous" their behavior was. On the other hand, I can't overlook it on our side. Next time I see one of our own enjoying the battle too much, I'll say something.

There are hotheads on both sides of every argument, but it's imperative that we be the calm ones. Every one of us. That's the word that needs to go out before next Tuesday. Let the teabaggers act up on camera like thirteen year old boys. We can't shut them up anyway. We can only try to keep our own folks in line.

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The McCaskill event in U. City on Tuesday is cancelled. (3.00 / 1)
The University City School District has cancelled the event on its property, and the McCaskill people cannot find another suitable venue on such short notice. They are, however, expanding the time at the Jefferson County event.

1:00 PM  -  3:00 PM                
Open Forum - Jefferson County
Jefferson College Field House
1000 Viking Drive
Hillsboro, MO 63050 Map


Senator McCaskill via... (0.00 / 0)
...Twitter:

Very disappointed that U City school dist cancelled our event Tues.We will expand the time on afternoon event in effort to accomodate folks 40 minutes ago from web

I did NOT cancel Tues meeting, the venue Unic City School district made the decision to cancel. I'm disappointed. 2 minutes ago from web



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Another point of view about the Town Hall riots and the best (0.00 / 0)
response (from TPM reader's blog)

There is a premise that somehow we've got to "win" at the town halls.  But why? The whole town-hall thing really gained popularity as a sham conducted by George Bush to wrap himself in the illusion of popular support. The reason they worked is because they were stage managed, not because it's a good format to discuss things. ...

It seems there is little, if anything, to lose by refusing this fight all together. If the goal is to present the health care proposals as serious plans by people who care and want to address the policy seriously - what is to be gained by engaging in a juvenile fight with a bunch of teabaggers? What does the policy fight lose by ceding this battlefield? Now that their forces and resources are committed to this tactic, it could be time to use guile and do an end-run around their dumb-asses. Leave them looking batshit-crazy for the teevees, and find a better way to maintain contact with the legislators.

Instead, I propose a campaign of quietly visiting the local field offices of representatives. Most of the time, these offices are not very busy at all and there is often a staffer who can actually spend some time talking. Articulate that you don't want to have to worry about being targeted by a crazed Glenn Beck fan to let the representative know your dedication to real reform. Ask the staffer for help. In the current environment, I think that would leave a bigger impression than trying to make "our" side seem bigger than "their" side for the cameras by joining the crazies in the mud.

Another thought about how to amplify a quiet personal visit is the use of a mini-petition. In other words, get the support of like minded neighbors who may not be able to go themselves - or articulate the issues as well. If progressives could quietly deliver signatures, five or ten at a time, in person, with respect, wouldn't that send a much more effective message than having fisticuffs with an angry geriatric who spends way too much time watching TV?

Bears thinking about ... especially since I am getting high blood-pressure thinking about these fringe-wingers and their unassailable stupidity.


Durbin said in this morning's P-D (3.00 / 1)
that just because these loonies want to engage in theatrics, there's no reason he has to give them a stage for it. I agree with him. The only reason I'm attending such events is that it's my job to cover the loonies. But I think the town halls are going to be counterproductive.

TPM has a good point, but it fails to address the need for reps to get their message out to the voters. That's one of the purposes of these venues. I suppose conference calls would be an effective alternative.


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I don't think that many of the town halls are proving effective (0.00 / 0)
at getting a message out at this point -- which is the point of the disruption actually.

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Thanks! (3.00 / 1)
I appreiciate your coverage of the townhalls. I plan to attend the one in jeffco if only to show McCaskill that we have her back on this. I may be dreaming but Jefferson County is very blue and things might not be so bad.

Lake Lady

I hope you are right! (0.00 / 0)
I think there will be a lot of people at the meeting at Jeffco now that the one in St.Louis county has been cancelled.  Yes, Jefferson County is very Blue, I was one of them for many years, but I expect more non-locals than locals at this event.  These right wing teabaggers seem to be intent on spoiling any semblance of civil discourse, and to me, what they do really doesn't feel like it has that much to do with healthcare reform.  Just more obstruction from the party of NO!          

I had planned to go to this event, but called Senator McCaskill's office in Columbia and they plan to have some town hall meetings in central Missouri later in the month. Nothing solid yet.  May still attend the one at Jeffco to show support for healthcare reform.


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